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While an aging Colombia will suck up young Venezuelan workers the same cannot he said for Mexico or Brazil. Mexico’s demand for cheap labor could literally take Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, & Nicaragua to the breaking point. Hollowed out & devoid of young people. Similarly for Brazil it’s neighbors are small (think Paraguay, Bolivia) & many form there prefer to emigrate to Argentina. Brazil may opt for Angolans and Mozambicans but I honestly doubt it in large numbers. These aging Latam giants must ultimately get to the conclusion that immigration is not the solution to demographic downturns. They will need to develop fast and use technology to help them adjust. https://x.com/birthgauge/status/1804234762527347171?s=46&t=4B1VZvcCmqy_LsZnd1cuig
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Vietnam: good demographics, strong economic growth, overall smart people, stable leadership, sensible foreign policy. Completely understand those bullish about the country’s future. One of a very few countries that fit all those criteria. Despite most of its neighbors fading fast, Vietnam has maintained a fertility rate above 1.95 despite fast economic growth (which usually depresses fertility). If Vietnam can keep TFR above 1.8 over the coming decade they will be in relatively excellent shape.
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East Asia’s largest economies will see their collective labor force drop dramatically between now->2040. These countries(China,Japan,& South Korea)have made up more than a quarter of Global GDP for years. Their labor force+young consumer spending crash will have enormous impact.
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In just 25 years modern human society will undergo one of the greatest changes of its entire history. Almost every continent will have aging or aged or super aged populations. Just looking at this map shows how rapid this transformation will be.
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🇪🇬👶Egypt on track to have a TFR of less than 2.5 for the 1st time in history. TFR was 3.5 as recently as 2014 & 3.0 in 2018. Egypt is likely to fall below replacement TFR before 2030 as urban and secular couples see TFR plummet just as religious couples also have smaller families.
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🇦🇺👶Australia is now at ~1.50 TFR. The Lucky Country, which saw a substantial fertility clawback from 2006 to 2015 (when TFR stayed above 1.8 partly as the result of natalist benefits), is now facing the worst TFR ever recorded in its history. Around the same level as the UK.
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The future is almost foretold for Eastern Europe. That fatal mixture of mass emigration and below replacement fertility is the absolute cause. But expect to see this pattern repeat across much of Latin America, developing Asia, & even places like Tunisia and Morocco.
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This could be the 1st year in Thailand since records began that less than 500,000 annual births are recorded. The country is also on track for sub 1.0 TFR for 2024. This combined with potentially declining immigration from Burma by the 2030s spells disaster in the decades ahead. However, averting immediate demographic problems for Thailand by importing Burmese means trouble for Myanmar. Burma simply cannot have 200,000 young people move to Thailand annually in 2030s without dramatic long term consequences for their own country (which is already approaching replacement TFR).
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If the CCP went culturally “all in” to achieve a transformation in fertility they would still not be able to get TFR back to 1.8. But it could still stop TFR from getting to South Korean or Taiwanese levels and possibly get TFR back to 1.3 or higher.
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Obviously workism is a modern problem across all of East Asia that did not come from the West but rather the effort to become part of (& exceed within) the Western dominated global economy from 1975-2015. But CCP may use propaganda to make such concepts seem foreign\undesirable.
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Costs of cars, housing, & other consumer items are getting cheaper for average Chinese. This combats the notion that things have gotten too expensive in China to afford a family. The problem is that the culture has changed & most young Chinese no longer value kids as most important. China has a window for targeted natalism & cultural change. Could easily see CCP in the near future having campaigns to reject 996 work culture and cram schools as “negative and western”. They could make this argument by associating them with individualism/materialist chasing.
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Azerbaijan and Russia may end up with the same TFR in 2024 (~1.4) if current trends hold. Looking at how much higher Azerbaijani TFR was than Russian TFR in 1990, 2000, 2010 and even 2020 this is remarkable.
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Labor market collapses are already in the midst of happening in South Korea,Italy, Taiwan,Germany,Japan,& many other developed economies. But they are just around the corner for Poland,Brazil, Thailand,Romania,Chile,& many developing & d
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Brunei has now been below replacement for citizens as well as residents for several years now. Citizen fertility around the same level as that of ethnic Malays in Malaysia (~1.8). Permanent and temporary residents far below replacement(similar to trend of Canadian immigrants).
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However, there is hope in the long term. It is possible that (after a generation or two) most of those having children are those who put child bearing and rearing as the center of their life and how they find meaning. This could lead to a significantly higher fertility rate.
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Well Taiwan and South Korea really are done in the short and medium term. Almost impossible to fix a culture that ranks family and children as third (& with only ~15% of the population agreeing with family and children being mentionable at all) for meaning in one’s life.
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Births in Hungary decreased by ~8% from January-April 2024 compared to the same period in 2023. TFR fell to just 1.37 on an annual basis compared to 1.48 a year earlier. Hungary gave pro-natalism the biggest government backing it could. But due to a lack of buy in from many young couples it ultimately only raised births modestly for around a decade instead of a lot. Still Orban was elected when TFR was ~1.2 and by 2021 it was 1.6. At least a few thousand additional Hungarian births during the 2010s are likely to be a direct result of the Orban governments policies. It was not enough and TFR may have risen to as high as 1.4-1.5 without it but it was something.
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Mass migration causes social & political problems as well as exacerbates housing shortages. Any immigration should be tightly controlled and regulated in line with the wishes of each nation’s citizenry. It’s really quite simple even though it goes against the wishes of elites.
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Mass immigration should never be put forward as a solution to demographic decline. Embracing AI,boosting births as much as possible by changing the culture to be more natalist, & providing the right incentives for middle class parents of 2-3 kids to have 1-2 more is the answer.
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Why bleak? Because all the government of South Korea seems prepared to do is throw lots of money at the problem without addressing the underlying cultural causes. As long as the culture is anti natalism don’t expect pronatalist programs, financial or otherwise, to help much…
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Putting people in dense mid to high rise tower blocks to be closer to their places of work does not help TFR either.South Korea may see the slide in births pause somewhat or reverse from March 2024-February 2025 but it won’t be anything more than a small breather. Bleak outlook.
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Sejong City, long the TFR leader in South Korea due to its plethora of pronatalist policies and family friendly infrastructure, fell to just 0.97 in 2023. The consumerist, individualist, materialist, work worshiping culture is to blame for all of it. https://amp.kedglobal.com/newsAmp/ked202402280010
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By the 2030s Taiwan could see births fall below 100,000,South Korea below 200,000,& Singapore below 30,000 (with citizen births below 25K). In that same decade annual increases to the pensioner population would be near 400,000 in Taiwan, 1,000,000 in South Korea & Singapore 55K+.
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Worth noting that if Taiwan, South Korea, & Singapore maintain their sub 1.0 fertility rates for decades (as many models show they will) their societies will obviously face existential issues. Can you imagine a society where only ~10% are under 18 while 40% are above 65?
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Wanted to do a quick post on South Asian TFR trends. Sri Lanka (headed to sub 1.5) & Nepal (~1.9?) are now sub replacement. India obviously is as well. Bangladesh is just above (~2.2) while Pakistan is comfortably above replacement. Bhutan is below replacement (~1.7? guess).
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While an aging Colombia will suck up young Venezuelan workers the same cannot he said for Mexico or Brazil. Mexico’s demand for cheap labor could literally take Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, & Nicaragua to the breaking point. Hollowed out & devoid of young people. Similarly for Brazil it’s neighbors are small (think Paraguay, Bolivia) & many form there prefer to emigrate to Argentina. Brazil may opt for Angolans and Mozambicans but I honestly doubt it in large numbers. These aging Latam giants must ultimately get to the conclusion that immigration is not the solution to demographic downturns. They will need to develop fast and use technology to help them adjust. https://x.com/birthgauge/status/1804234762527347171?s=46&t=4B1VZvcCmqy_LsZnd1cuig
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Colombia recorded 145,416 births in Jan-Apr 2024, a steep drop of 14.1% compared to 2023. The TFR of Colombia this year could fall to barely above 1.2 kids per woman after 1.40 in 2023.

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Vietnam: good demographics, strong economic growth, overall smart people, stable leadership, sensible foreign policy. Completely understand those bullish about the country’s future. One of a very few countries that fit all those criteria. Despite most of its neighbors fading fast, Vietnam has maintained a fertility rate above 1.95 despite fast economic growth (which usually depresses fertility). If Vietnam can keep TFR above 1.8 over the coming decade they will be in relatively excellent shape.
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East Asia’s largest economies will see their collective labor force drop dramatically between now->2040. These countries(China,Japan,& South Korea)have made up more than a quarter of Global GDP for years. Their labor force+young consumer spending crash will have enormous impact.
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In just 25 years modern human society will undergo one of the greatest changes of its entire history. Almost every continent will have aging or aged or super aged populations. Just looking at this map shows how rapid this transformation will be.
Mostrar todo...
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🇪🇬👶Egypt on track to have a TFR of less than 2.5 for the 1st time in history. TFR was 3.5 as recently as 2014 & 3.0 in 2018. Egypt is likely to fall below replacement TFR before 2030 as urban and secular couples see TFR plummet just as religious couples also have smaller families.
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🇦🇺👶Australia is now at ~1.50 TFR. The Lucky Country, which saw a substantial fertility clawback from 2006 to 2015 (when TFR stayed above 1.8 partly as the result of natalist benefits), is now facing the worst TFR ever recorded in its history. Around the same level as the UK.
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The future is almost foretold for Eastern Europe. That fatal mixture of mass emigration and below replacement fertility is the absolute cause. But expect to see this pattern repeat across much of Latin America, developing Asia, & even places like Tunisia and Morocco.
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This could be the 1st year in Thailand since records began that less than 500,000 annual births are recorded. The country is also on track for sub 1.0 TFR for 2024. This combined with potentially declining immigration from Burma by the 2030s spells disaster in the decades ahead. However, averting immediate demographic problems for Thailand by importing Burmese means trouble for Myanmar. Burma simply cannot have 200,000 young people move to Thailand annually in 2030s without dramatic long term consequences for their own country (which is already approaching replacement TFR).
Mostrar todo...
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If the CCP went culturally “all in” to achieve a transformation in fertility they would still not be able to get TFR back to 1.8. But it could still stop TFR from getting to South Korean or Taiwanese levels and possibly get TFR back to 1.3 or higher.
Mostrar todo...
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Obviously workism is a modern problem across all of East Asia that did not come from the West but rather the effort to become part of (& exceed within) the Western dominated global economy from 1975-2015. But CCP may use propaganda to make such concepts seem foreign\undesirable.
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